one
of my best friends...Will wrote a rebuttal to an attack of liberals and
feminism...in support of equality and feminism...in rebuttal to a post
(made by the love of his life) which i will also post now:
Here Come the Liberal
Fundamentalists!
Liberal Fundamentalism is a failed and
destructive philosophical enterprise, replete with a host of anti-Biblical,
pseudo-religious doctrines, that seeks to elevate the ways and “wisdom” of man
above the wisdom and desires of God. It’s principle aim is the sacking of
traditional Judaic and Christian values and beliefs, which are “revisited”
through suspect liberal “scholarship” or politically-correct dogma in an effort
to replace them with the tenets of carnal moral hedonism and the failed social
doctrines of today’s liberal elitists.
The genesis of today’s liberal
fundamentalists were the anti-traditionalist hedonists of the 1960's and 70's.
They advocated fornication and “free-love”, illegal substance abuse, moral
relativism, contempt for authority, and enjoyed a prosperous America founded on
the very hard work and enterprise they sought to distance themselves from. The
freedoms they enjoyed were purchased by the blood, sweat, and tears and personal
sacrifices of the very forefathers they held in contempt.
Personal
responsibility, self-restraint and self-sacrifice were foreign concepts to them.
“Right and wrong”, “good and evil” were arbitrarily revisited, for such concepts
had no objective meaning to them. They had no objective rationality for their
hedonistic philosophy other than it “feels good, so let’s do it." The only
righteous cause that qualified for support in their carnal minds was the
undermining and revising of traditional American and Judeo-Christian values.
One of the most revered mantras of the liberal fundamentalists is
“equality”. The net effect of this experiment was to elevate women via the
degradation of men; promote racial equality by instituting race-based
preferences and reverse-discrimination; engender class warfare against people of
means via the redistribution of wealth (a concept centered in greed for other
people’s money, rather than rely on one’s own personal initiative and work
ethic); and elevate wickedness (sodomy, fornication, and other corrupt
lifestyles) to the plateau of respectability at the expense of traditional Godly
values.
Along with the failed liberal concept of equality was the mantra
of liberal “tolerance." However, liberal tolerance is not what it appears to be.
It is a corrupted partisan philosophical perspective with its own rigid set of
dogmas. It assumes, for instance, a relativistic view of moral and religious
knowledge. This assumption has shaped the way many people think about issues
such as homosexuality, abortion rights, and religious truth claims, leading them
to believe that a liberally tolerant posture concerning these issues is the
correct one and that it ought to be reflected in our laws and customs. But this
posture is often dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there
is only one correct view on these issues, and if one does not embrace it, one
may likely face public ridicule, demagogic tactics, and perhaps even legal
reprisals. Liberal tolerance is therefore neither liberal nor tolerant."
Rather than truly embrace “freedom”, liberal fundamentalists seek to
control virtually every aspect of the lives of the masses which are unfortunate
enough to be under their fundamentalist rulership. They seek to outlaw SUV’s,
impose smoking bans while advocating marijuana use, prohibit freedom of
religious expression in government and public schools, advocate compulsory
training in politically correct opinions and attitudes, seek to enforce Bible
bans in schools, embrace a de-facto litmus test against possible pro-life
judicial nominees, seek to criminalize pro-life demonstrations through the RICO
racketeering statute, seek to squelch religious speech via “hate-speech” laws
(note Canada today), and generally engage in a whole range of behaviors designed
to subvert the U.S. Constitution and traditional American values.
Liberal fundamentalism undermines the basic effectiveness of the
government, legislatures, and other societal elements of democracy. Despite the
idealistic goals of liberalism, attempts to build a utopian liberal society in
America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime,
social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the
welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral
depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous
societal suffering and discontent. As a result, liberal fundamentalism is
strongly associated with left-wing fanaticism, reverse-racism,
anti-intellectualism, elitism, nihilism, godlessness, and societal violence.
Debate
_________________
What have the liberals done to
America?
Traditional Americanism speaks of and endorses
principles such as truth, honesty, integrity, character, and virtue; love for
country, commitment to family, and dedication to God. On these great principles
America the Great, one nation under God, was founded. And only on these
principles and the strength of God can we hope to stand, now and in the future.
Yet even today, these great foundations of wisdom are crumbling beneath us.
The violent and decadent society that the
liberals so despise is the very one they have created. As one Orlando Sentinel
columnist noted, "They wanted sexual promiscuity, drugs, disregard for the law,
no censorship of pornography, no laws against sodomy or public profanity,
abortion on demand, quick and easy divorces, acceptance of homosexuality, a
welfare system that paid women to have illegitimate children, a tax system that
penalizes marriage, and a godless education system that utilizes metal detectors
and drug-sniffing dogs in our public schools. And they got it. Every last bit of
it."
i applaud your masterpiece. thank you for taking the time to rebut in such an informed and complete way wilma!
First of all, for those of you, who are too lazy or not
interested in reading this thread, do not post your comment as to simply dismiss
this person’s post. This is obviously not a simple post you can type up in 45
seconds. The author has put a lot of effort and thought into this statement.
He/she strongly believes in this statement and wants to share with the community
and fellow peers while at the same time requesting for feedback or debate
rebuttal. If you choose not to participate or have nothing relevant to say then
simply move on instead of spamming. Maybe it’s just me but the irrelevant spam
and urge to close the thread comes off as being rude, disrespectful and deeming
this person’s post insignificant.
Whether you believe this person’s
statement or not, we have the right (last time I checked, Bush hasn’t taken this
Right away yet) guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights to voice your
opinion or opposition. This post is clearly one person’s biased opinion on the
average liberalist in America. His/her statement claims that the existence of
liberals in this country has a more detrimental destructiveness within society
and that the clashing of “wisdom” against traditional religious beliefs is the
cause of this country’s current condition of lapse and future downfall.
The basic foundation of this conservative is to maintain the traditional
values based on the “wisdom and desires of God.” So is it safe to say that this
power struggle can be classified between the believers and infidels? Is it okay
to say that this is a debate between Religion (conservatives) and Science
(liberals)?
Religion is a series of belief based on faith. Some people
(insert my name here) may argue that its blind faith or irrational faith.
Science is a learning process based on trial and error experiments, concrete
evidence findings that propels the advancement of knowledge and understanding of
the human race. Invention and the experimental ideas sprouted by philosophers
and scientists have undoubtedly changed the way we live life. Hell, the very
computer (it’s a piece of shit from Dell. Never buy computers from Dell, I want
to shoot that lame guy who did their commercials right in the left nut, and
who’s the president of Dell? I want to shoot his prostate so he can die and go
to Dell.) I’m using right now came from technology and science. (I prayed for a
new computer for 2 years, but I guess God was too busy for a nigger like me and
I was growing tired of playing Pong in black and green when everyone else was
playing Warcraft III with 32-bit color so I went and spent my own money. When’s
the last time you got something you prayed for and it dropped out of the sky? I
never once prayed for bird shit, I think God mixed up my Prayer faxes with
someone elses?)
“They had no objective rationality for their hedonistic
philosophy other than it “feels good, so let’s do it”
Actually, in
hedonistic philosophy, it is for the good of all. Is this philosophy so far
fetched when compared to the Constitution’s Life, Liberty and pursuit of
Happiness?
When conservatives talk about holding on to traditional
morals and values, I guess that means bringing back slavery, sending our
immigrant citizens back to concentration camps, revitalizing the Ku Klux Klan
(where can I order a big ass good ol’ fashioned religious cross so that I can
set aflame on my lawn next time the black folks come over for chicken and
kool-aid?), taking over the remaining land from Indian Reservations, forcing
their religion onto the people they oppress (for example: Native American Indian
children, African slaves, Chinese railroad workers), protecting the interests
and property (slaves) of the wealthy (who should definitely get tax cuts since
they work so hard and earn their money and their “freedoms they enjoyed were
purchased by the blood, sweat, and tears and personal sacrifices of the very”
slaves they owned, and sending all women back into their rightful place, the
kitchen where they belong, wearing their Wonder Bra’s and tending to the
children who are expected to be “a chip off the old block”, while still looking
attractive and presentable but possess no right to vote. Note the following:
“The Importance of the Wife's Role
Another area in which Satan is
working to destroy families is by drawing more and more women into the
workforce. When women are in the workforce and out of their homes, they are not
able to spend the needed time caring for their husbands, their children, and
those in need. I think it is important for Christians to understand the
different Biblical roles that God created for men and women. Without a proper
understanding of our roles as Christian women, we can hurt the cause of
Christ--the very thing we stand for. Titus 2:3-5 takes the role of women so
seriously that it says that "older women are to teach younger women to love
their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers,
good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be
blasphemed." Women are to be keepers at home, or homemakers. There is not a more
wonderful job in the world! The woman who is busy keeping her home is able to
care for the needs of her husband. How many working wives come home and have
energy to meet their husbands' needs? Not many. Most working women come home
tired and still have much to do around the house. They have very little energy
to put into their marriage relationship. And numerous surveys and interviews
show that women know this and wish they had a way out.” (A Plea for Godly
Families
By Miss Amy W.
Aug 9, 2005, 23:20)
These are the
same people who claim to be upholding and defending our Constitution while at
the same time condemning, enslaving, and oppressing their fellow human beings
due to their race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and religion.
Yeah let’s get traditional, let’s get old school here. Bring back the
origins of marriage where the original creation of wedding rings was for men to
control their wives with the wedding band symbolizing confinement, a ball and
chain, a signal to other men that this woman is no longer available and belongs
to someone already like a branded cattle. And while men could “fool” around with
as many prostitutes as they pleased, if a woman were even to think of another,
she was committing adultery and needed to be punished by her husband, via
beatings sometimes to death. The only way for a divorce would be if the man says
so, for back in the day, women not only didn’t have the right to vote, they also
didn’t have their own voice because why? Men were superior than women right?
Even the origin of the term “Honeymoon” came from the controlling minds of men.
Honeymoon is the period of time when the moon turns honey orange yellow which
synchronizes with a woman’s menstrual cycle. This tells men when to inseminate
their mate ensuring that their seed will dominate and most likely succeed in
case their wives have been unfaithful. All of this control and inequality, this
human debauchery was justified by none other than the Bible itself. (refer to:
http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/artman/publish/article_1511.shtml
for post-modern Biblical teachings on the “right way” for women to act. )
This bold strong statement conveniently pushes all the fault onto
liberals, just like how everything non-Christian and evil is the work of Satan.
What makes the bible and its stories different from that of a children’s
fairytale book? At least with the fairytale book, I know who the author is and
who illustrated the book and who published it and which bastard sold me it at
above market price. But more importantly, I know that it’s freakin’ fiction and
not to be used as a guidebook for living a life. The Holy Bible, words of God,
they must never be questioned and must be obeyed at all times. *cough* Form of
control. Bring it back to the days of kings and monarchy. Back to where the
Church controlled the State, for when it was okay to persecute non-believers for
they were sinners and women burned at the stake for being accused of witch
craft. Such incredible wisdom of a glorious god that he sacrificed his only son
for the very sin that he himself, the creator of all things have created. Why
are men more superior than women? Because God created man in his own image
right?
Times change and revisions in laws are brought forth to
accommodate our new found “wisdom” that keeps us civil. Speaking of civil,
without the advancement and help of “Freedom Fighters” and “those damn hippies”,
the Civil Rights Act would never have passed. You’re thinking the Civil War
ended long before this Act, but that only illegalized the practice of slavery.
Blacks were still viewed as lesser beings thus the segregated school systems,
the segregated bathrooms, diners, sections on the bus, water fountains and
employment opportunities.
“Despite the idealistic goals of liberalism,
attempts to build a utopian liberal society in America have only led to
heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions,
divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a
crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and
numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering
and discontent.”
Please show some proof of these statements or I’m just
going to throw this into the pot of “you guys blaming others again”. But since
you pointed this out, let me give you my opinion on a few of these allegations.
Heightened outbreaks of AIDS? Wait what? How is this our fault? Oh
nevermind, I guess you’re talking about the homosexuals since it’s a homosexual
disease right? And I guess they deserve it because “God Hates Fags”.
Porno-related crime? It’s a crime! We must censor it! Who cares about
Freedom of Expression? So when’s the last time someone has committed a
porno-related crime? Did some unsuspecting person walk into a room of someone
masturbating to pornography and accidentally caught the discharge right in the
throat and choked on it for manslaughter charges? Or maybe someone robbed a
liquor store for all the porn magazines but didn’t take any cash? Porno-related
crime, please elaborate.
Divorce? Referring back to my above mention of
the origins of the double standard marriage and its thumbs-up okay by the Bible,
I’m not surprised at all about divorces.
“Also, so many people my age
believe that they have to live together before they can get married--to see if
it will work. This is a complete lie from Satan. People who "test out" marriage
before marriage are twice as likely to divorce. I think one of the reasons for
this is that they doubt marriage before they even enter it. It is faith that
sustains us in marriage. Also, people who live together before marriage show a
lack of respect for marriage.” (A Plea for Godly Families By Miss Amy W.
Aug
9, 2005, 23:20).
Hrmm, this doesn’t sound forced. This is like putting
two random gorillas together and having faith that they will mate and become
husband and wife. Such great wisdom the Bible teaches. I shall read the Bible
for my next school exam, or maybe how to perform CPR.
A crushing tax
burden?
You can blame that on the president for giving rich guys like
himself big fat tax cuts while the 98% of us who actually work for our money get
taxed so that the government can invade another country and waste our tax
dollars on weapons of mass destruction and death.
Deficit spending?
Waging war on foreign soil by lying to the people, by owing the largest debt
in the history of this country, by wasting tax payers dollars so that he can
take vacations, the most vacations ever taken by any president in American
history.
“One of the most revered mantras of the liberal fundamentalists
is “equality”. The net effect of this experiment was to elevate women via the
degradation of men;”
If you do not know the true definition of feminism
and the definition for equality of women, then you should not make these wild
allegations of how in order to achieve equality, they elevate women through the
degradation of men. Even now, in this century, in this time and age, there is
still inequality between the sexes. For example, men are still getting paid more
for the same tasks they perform as women. Another example that annoys me, is
when a woman has multiple partners, she is labeled as a “slut” or “whore” and
shunned by society when the society is full of men who cheat on their wives and
are the dominate consumers in the pornography industry and who are complimented
as being a “player” or “pimp” when they sleep with several women. I also noticed
the recent Forbes top 100 wealthiest people in America, topping the list, all
male. Even in our children’s cartoons and fairytales, it is Prince Charming who
comes to the rescue of our Damsel in distress. In striving for women equality,
feminists do not employ such dirty tactics as to support the degradation of men.
This is one of the most widely spread mistakes (or intentionally spread rumor)
that anti-feminists fail to correct themselves in. It seems like conservatives
don’t like it when women get equal rights as men. Why is that? Does it have
something to do with the Bible or just male testosterone and ego?
“engender class warfare against people of means via the redistribution
of wealth (a concept centered in greed for other people’s money, rather than
rely on one’s own personal initiative and work ethic)”
This is something
that liberals need not lend a hand in. It is an indisputable fact that the rich
continues to get richer while the poor gets poorer. You’re claiming that this
concept is centered in greed for other people’s money. So please do tell me, who
in fact is the greedy one? The person who has more money than he can spend in 3
lifetimes but continues to exploit cheap labor overseas or across borders and
get big tax breaks? Or the person who’s going to school and holding down 2 jobs
to support himself? And please don’t talk to me about work ethic. Enron?
Lockheed Martin? GM Motors? NIKE? Martha Stewart?! The list goes on my dear. It
seems like in order to become rich and powerful, you got to get your hands dirty
and all the hard working folk who actually earn their money are still at the
bottom of the pyramid paying taxes. They’re the ones who are first to donate
money in times of crisis while the rich sweat over their stocks. Don’t give me
this bullshit about greed and work ethic. Why don’t you question our
government’s work ethic and Bush family’s private business dealings with Saudi
Arabia, the business investments of the Bin Ladens in American companies, and
how about selling weapons of mass destruction to Saddam back in the 90s so that
they can use it against Iran? To the corrupt business men who control the
politics up in D.C., war is great. It boosts productivity and manufacturing of
weapons, after all, it did get us out of the Great Depression didn’t it?
“and elevate wickedness (sodomy, fornication, and other corrupt
lifestyles) to the plateau of respectability at the expense of traditional Godly
values.”
Alright so, having anal sex is a big sin. Having sex is a sin.
Being born a homosexual is a sin. Being black is a sin. Choosing McDonalds and
not Burger King is a sin. So what’s not a sin? And these are the same people who
promote freedom when you’re telling us that whatever we do is wicked.
Contradictory hypocrites in the making ladies and gentlemen.
“But this
posture is often dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there
is only one correct view on these issues,”
You are claiming this yes.
But wait, aren’t you guys doing the same thing? Obey us or thou shall be smote
by the hand of God? You have to do it our way, if not you’re a stinkin’ liberal
and you’re going to Dell.
Holding onto old ways is like driving a gas
guzzling air polluting SUV that gets 13 miles per gallon (oh wow, I did mention
the SUV! And no we are not trying to outlaw them. “They seek to outlaw SUV’s”)
as opposed to driving a solar powered hybrid electric low emissions vehicle.
“smoking bans while advocating marijuana use”
Everyone deserves
the freedom and right to breathe clean air, that goes double for SUVs and
cigarettes for those who don’t smoke. Marijuana use? Yes we advocate it for
medicinal purposes, not for misusing like some president, I mean people. But
wait, so that’s why he’s so stupid and can’t spell his own name. Come on, it’s
only four freakin’ letters and you got one down there.
“prohibit freedom
of religious expression in government and public schools,”
So tell me
again, how is it freedom of religion when someone in your school forces you to
pledge your allegiance to THEIR God? You want freedom of religious expression?
How about we change the word God to Allah? Or how about even Satan for all the
Goth cult kids? How is it freedom when you impose on only one religion during
your pledge of allegiance in schools, your court hearings (solemnly swear on
Bibles), your faith that all those who are not like you will suffer the wrath of
the merciless God. How is this belief any different than those “terrorists” who
believe that being strong believers in faith that they will attain 20 virgins
awaiting them in the afterlife? (20 virgins? So the man can have 20 different
women but the 20 women have to share one crummy dude? What a deal! What a deal!
Sign me up!)
“On these great principles America the Great, one nation
under God, was founded. And only on these principles and the strength of God can
we hope to stand, now and in the future. Yet even today, these great foundations
of wisdom are crumbling beneath us.”
I feel very free under this loving
God. Because “ONLY on these principles and strength of God can we hope to stand,
now and in the future.” If you want to live in a backward country, then keep
believing your own bullshit. Your methods of using the Bible and instilling fear
to control people will eventually fall on deaf ears. Note that Bush uses the
same method of persuasion to get what he wants. In the Bible, if you did not do
what “God” said, you will suffer a painful death and not be forgiven for your
sinful tears have stained his altar. Basically you have two choices, do this or
die. Similar with Bush’s approach when he wanted to invade Iraq, the Church uses
lies and fears to control and manipulate its followers. There is no freedom
under this rule of dictatorship. When one of the terrorists is disguised as our
president, it is hard to do good and steer this country into a bright future.
When your president is all words and his words are made up of all lies, the only
way to be truly PATRIOTIC is for you to speak out against this imposter, against
this “Satan” if you truly love your country and what it stands for.
As one Orlando Sentinel columnist noted, "They wanted sexual
promiscuity, drugs, disregard for the law, no censorship of pornography, no laws
against sodomy or public profanity, abortion on demand, quick and easy divorces,
acceptance of homosexuality, a welfare system that paid women to have
illegitimate children, a tax system that penalizes marriage, and a godless
education system that utilizes metal detectors and drug-sniffing dogs in our
public schools. And they got it. Every last bit of it."
If what this guy
says is true and we got everything he said we did, every last bit, then there
are no regrets and we rather hold on to these inalienable freedom rights and
progress of mankind, than be stuck, butt fucked (oh wait, you guys against
sodomy), narrow minded and ignorant and risking it all on blind faith with a
drunk dumbass driving this country into World War III. (I hope you don’t mind
the swear words, because after all, its freedom of speech right? And besides,
even if you do mind, FUCK YOU, but have a nice day and God Bless the United
States of Corruption.)
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